karnivor/ergo regulator

 
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PostWysłany: Czw Paź 14 2010 15:22    Temat postu: karnivor/ergo regulator Zacytuj zaznaczone Odpowiedz z cytatem

Witam,

Mam problem z regulatorem od karniego. Objawy nic nie syczy ale po podłączeniu powietrza ciśnienie na wyjściu na chwilę zatrzymuje się się na ustawionej wartości po czym powoli ale zdecydowanie rośnie do wartości ciśnienia wyjściowego z butli.

Oringi wymieniłem dwukrotnie, części nasmarowane, jakieś pomysły na diagnozę? Poniżej zdjęcie bebechów


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PostWysłany: Sob Gru 18 2010 21:20    Temat postu: Zacytuj zaznaczone Odpowiedz z cytatem

wyczyść wszystko DOKŁADNIE ze smaru, przetrzyj dla pewnosci spirytusem lub denaturatem, złóż i sprawdź, jezeli bedzie sytuacja sie powtarzała sprawdź czy nie ma jakiejs rysy na obudowie od srodka regulatora
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PostWysłany: Sob Gru 18 2010 21:42    Temat postu: Zacytuj zaznaczone Odpowiedz z cytatem

wyrobiony piston seat ?
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PostWysłany: Nie Lut 13 2011 19:13    Temat postu: Zacytuj zaznaczone Odpowiedz z cytatem

Pytanie może wydać się głupie jednak posiałem gdzieś manual do mojego Karniego a muszę rozkręcić regulator i tutaj mam problem.
Jak chłopu na miedzy proszę wyjaśnić. Najpierw muszę odkręcić macroline w stalowym oplocie, potem odkręcam regulator tylko w którą stronę zgodnie z ruchem wskazówek zegara czy przeciwnie mając śrubę do regulacji skierowaną do siebie...
Ew czy ktoś mógłby podać adres strony www gdzie w pdfie znajdę manual do Karniego bo inaczej nie rozkręcę drania, znaczy się rozkręcę jak znajdę ale tak zrobiłbym to wcześniej.
Będę wdzięczy za pomoc.
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PostWysłany: Nie Lut 13 2011 20:15    Temat postu: Zacytuj zaznaczone Odpowiedz z cytatem

Najpierw odkręcasz macroline. Potem reg wykręcasz zgodnie z zegarkiem.

Co do manuala do karniego to jest jedynie manual do cockera, taki ogólny, bodajże do któregoś superstocka.
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PostWysłany: Nie Lut 13 2011 20:18    Temat postu: Zacytuj zaznaczone Odpowiedz z cytatem

A tutaj opis dokładnie krok po kroku jak rozkręcić regulator, niestety po angielsku:

Step One: Remove all gas fittings from the reg.
You will need to put a good deal of force on the body of the reg to get it apart. You don't want that force to end up pushing on the side of the fittings and snapping one of them off.


Step Two: Removing the LP End cap:
Put the body of the reg in the vice, using the padding to keep the finish from being damaged. Take the strap wrench, and get a good hold on the threads at the top of the reg. DO NOT USE VICE GRIPS!!! If you damage the threads at the top of the reg, not only will it not seal properly, but it may never thread back into the ASA of the gun.
If you don't have a strap wrench, and don't want to buy one, then you can do it a different way. This runs a risk of damaging the top threads, but it beats using Vice Grips on it. Put your padding around the top threads of the reg, and carefully lock them into the vice. Then grab the body of the reg, and un-screw it.


Step Three: Remove the Piston, and Belville washers.
Once you have the end cap off, look inside the body of the reg. You will see the top of the piston. Gently tap the reg on a table to get them out. If they won't come out, then put a piece of tape over the end of the reg, and you can get it out later.
When the piston comes out, there are 7 or 8 Belville washers under it. These create some of the force that controls the pressure setting of the reg. DO NOT LOOSE ANY OF THEM!!! In older styles, there are seven washers, in newer ones, there are eight. Put them to the side in a safe place.


Step Four: Remove the C-clip and adjustment nut.
Use a pair the c-clip pliers to remove the C-clip (or a strong pick if you don't have the pliers). If you go the pick route, be careful, you will need a good amount of force to get it out, and once it's out, it may go flying.
Now that the C-clip is out, un-screw the adjuster nut all the way. Under it, you will see the reg seat. Tap the reg on the table, and the reg seat and seal retainer spring will drop right out. There is also a small washer that was held in place by the spring. Most times this sticks to the o-ring, and won't fall out, but keep an eye out for it.
Take the toothpick (see, I told you, you need a toothpick) and wiggle the washer until it falls out. Using a toothpick ensures that the o-ring directly under the washer doesn't get damaged.


Step Five: Alternate way of getting the piston out.
If the piston did not come out when you tapped in on the table in Step Three, now is the time to get it out. If it did come out, then skip to Step Six.
Remove the tape, and grab that toothpick again. Look into the bottom of the reg. Inside the o-ring in the bottom is a small metal tube. That is the bottom of the piston. Gently push it up and out the top of the reg body. Don't use anything metal, or sharp, as that could damage the bottom of the piston tube. The bottom of the piston is what seal against the reg seat, so any damage here, and it can cause the reg to creep up from the set pressure.
When you push the piston out, there are seven or eight (depending on how old the reg is) Belville washers under it. DO NOT LOOSES THESE!!! Put them in a safe place, and move to Step Six.


Step Six: Removing the piston stem o-ring.
There is a trick to getting this on out. Take that trusty toothpick, and push the o-ring out from the TOP of the reg. It may take a few tries, but keep at it, you will get it.


So, now the reg is completely apart. Wipe down all the parts with a clean, dry cloth, and set them aside. You will want to make sure the body of the reg is nice and clean also, so clean that while you are at it. One place you will want to make sure is spotless is the recess for the piston stem o-ring. It's pointless to go through all this work, just to put the new seals into a dirty main body.


Now that everything is clean, start inspecting the seals. If you had a leak coming out of the small hole in the body, replace the piston o-ring, and the piston stem o-ring. If the reg's output pressure was creeping up, replace the reg seat, and closely inspect the end of the piston's tube. Any nicks or a rough surface can cause the reg to creep up.


Now we have to put this pile of parts back together. Mostly you will do it in reverse order, but here are a few tricks.

Step One: Prepare the parts
I use Dow 33 on the regs when I rebuild them. Good for the seals, doesn't gum up, and stays where it is supposed to. You will want a light coat on the piston o-ring, the piston stem, the reg seat carrier o-ring, and also a very light coat on each of the Belville washers. The coat on the washers is more to protect them from rust then to actually lube them, so make sure you cover the whole washer with a LIGHT coat.


Step Two: Installing the piston stem o-ring.
This is the hardest part of the whole job. If this o-ring isn’t where it’s supposed to be, and in there perfectly, the reg will leak. Take the piston, and insert it into the top of the reg body. Flip the reg over (keep a finger over the top, just to make sure the piston doesn’t fall out) and look into the bottom. The piston stem should be sticking much farther out the bottom of the reg than before. Take the piston o-ring, and the washer, and slide them over the piston. Put the seal retainer spring in, and let it all slide into the body of the reg.
This picture shows the piston stem o-ring inside the body. Be careful when you remove or install it, as any damage to the o-ring will make the reg leak out of the bleed hole in the body.


Step Three: Installing the reg seat, adjuster and c-clip
Now that the stem o-ring and washer are held in place by the piston stem, carefully slide the reg seat in on top of them. You don’t want to push too far, or you can push the piston o-ring off the stem. Just slide the reg seat in until you can feel the spring start to compress. Now, screw the adjuster in just far enough to clear the groove for the C-clip. Drop the c-clip back in, and we are done with the bottom half of the reg.


Step Three: Piston and Belville washers.
Now that the stem o-ring is held in place by the washer and spring, tap the reg on the table to get the piston to drop out of the body. If you lubed the piston o-ring, and the stem, it should drop out after a tap or two. Once it’s out, we need to install the Belville washers.
This is VERY important, the washers must be installed in this pattern: ( )( )( )( ).
If they are not, then they will not provide enough spring pressure for the reg to work properly.
If your reg has seven washers, it doesn’t matter how the pattern starts, just as long as they are in the correct pattern.


Step Four: Install the LP End cap
Go back to the vice use the same technique to re-install the end cap. You will want the end cap nice and tight, or it will un-screw from the body when you try to remove the reg from the gun. That leaves the end cap in the ASA, with no good way to remove it.


Step Five: Ball Park the reg's output
Once everything is installed, the reg’s output will be extremely high. You will want to turn the adjuster in as far as it will go with ease before you put it back on the gun. Putting 800psi into the gun won’t hurt it, but it’s better to start low, and work your way up.


Now you will have to re-set the reg. If you have never done it before, read my article on Sweet Spotting a Reg, and follow the directions in it. Keep in mind, the Ergo adjusts backwards from most regs. So turning the adjuster counter-clockwise increases the out-put of the reg.

Now, enough work at the bench, go play!
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PostWysłany: Pon Lut 21 2011 22:14    Temat postu: Zacytuj zaznaczone Odpowiedz z cytatem

A ja mam taką banalną sprawę z którą sobie nie radzę. podejmie się ktoś regulacji karnivor-a?
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